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Wives of Muhammad: Aisha bint Abi Bakr. Muhammad married at least 15 different women, and he consummated marriages with at least 13 different women. Muhammad's favorite wife, however, was Aisha, the daughter of his best friend, Abu Bakr. Aisha was six years old when Muhammad married her, and she was nine years old when the marriage was consummated. When Muhammad died, Aisha was 18 years old. Since the Qur'an declares that no one can marry Muhammad's wives after him (33: 53), Aisha spent the next 46 years as a widow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGj-sSaNL4









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Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community] translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7) (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)

NM : Wives of Muhammad: Aisha bint Abi Bakr. Muhammad married at least 15 different women, and he consummated marriages with at least 13 different women. Muhammad's favorite wife, however, was Aisha, the daughter of his best friend, Abu Bakr. Aisha was six years old when Muhammad married her, and she was nine years old when the marriage was consummated. When Muhammad died, Aisha was 18 years old. Since the Qur'an declares that no one can marry Muhammad's wives after him (33: 53), Aisha spent the next 46 years as a widow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGj-sSaNL4


M : Noted historian Mohammed bin Jareer Tabari wrote that during the early period, before the advent of Islam, (i.e., Jahiliya period) Hazrat Abu Bukar had married two ladies. The first wife was Qateela, who gave birth to Abdullah and Asma and from his second wife, Umme Roomaan were born Hazrat Ayesha and Abdul Rahman.

فهولاء الاربعة من اولاده وله ومن زوجيه التين سميتها في الجاهلية

The followers of Sabayia sect are ridiculing Hazrat Ayesha (R.A.) by showing her age of as 9 years, but the historian Tabari who is also a Shia, admits that Hazrat Ayesha and other three children were born during the period before the advent of Islam. Even Hazrat Ayesha was born a few months before Prophethood. Her age at the time of departure from her parent's house after her marriage works out to fifteen years.

In the Battle of Uhad, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was seriously injured. According to a tradition found in Bukhari, only two companions of the Prophet (PBUH) were with him. They were Saad bin Abi Waqqaas and Talha bin Obaidullah. A rumour was spread that Prophet Mohammed was martyred. At that time, Hazrat Abu Talha Ansari, the step father of Hazrat Anas was shielding Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and he was telling him not to move from his place.

This was the only Battle during Prophet's (PBUH lifetime in which the Muslims were defeated and 70 companions of the Prophet (PBUH) were martyred. Hazrat Anas (R.A.) narrates that he saw Hazrat Ayesha and Hazrat Umme Saleem. They were fetching water to the injured persons. The task of fetching water could only be undertaken by an experienced woman and not by a young child. It is on record that Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) did not permit young boys below 14 years to participate in the Battle. How could he have allowed Hazrat Ayesha to participate in this Battle if she was a child?

All the historians and the scholars are in agreement that Hazrat Ayesha was younger to her elder sister, Hazrat Asma (R.A.) by 10 years. Hazrat Asma (R.A.) expired in 73 A.H. at the age of 100 years. We know that at the time of migration to Madina, Hazrat Asma (R.A.) was 27-28 years old and Hazrat Ayesha must have been 18 years old. At the time of her departure from her parents' house, Hazrat Ayesha (RA) must have been 19 or 20 years old.

Hafiz Ibn-e-Hajar in his book "Takhreeb-ut-Tahzeeb" writes that Asma (R.A.) was alive till 100 years and she expired in 73 A.H. or 74 A.H. Hafiz Ibn-e-Kaseer in his historical treatise "Al-Badaya Wannihya" writes that Hazrat Asma's (R.A.) younger sister is Hazrat Ayesha who is 10 years younger to Hazrat Asma. Hafiz Zuhabi in his book "Seer Elamul nubala" writes that Asma bint Abu Bakar (R.A.) was more than 10 years older than her sister Hazrat Ayesha (R.A.).

Abul Rahman bin Abi-Zannad says that Hazrat Asma (R.A.) was 10 years older than her sister Hazrat Ayesha (R.A.).

May Allah SWT guide us all

NM : Nope. She was married at 6 and raped at 9. It is in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. If you stop to have trust in these 2 major islamic sources and reinvent everything based on your own interpretation, you only have got the Qur'an, then goes most of islam. If you are Quran-only, you don't know how much time you must pray or what are the words for the chahada and many other things.

M : "Nope."? I wasn't asking. Just informing YOU > "David Wood superfan", of the information you don't want to know, more likely ignorant of.
"It is Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari." Which means what exactly...Gods word? Was Bukhari Sahaba or Tabi'un? You're obviously ignorant of the science of hadith and presume all you need to do is cry "It is Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari",and case closed. As i said i wasn't asking you or David Wood. "If you stop to have trust in these 2 major islamic sources and reinvent everything based on your own interpretation, you only have got the Qur'an," Rubbish. In "An Introduction to Hadith" the author Ayhan Tekines writes the following about hadith by Bukhari. "The reliability of his narrations pertains to his work in the general sense. A particular narration in another hadith compilation may be sounder than one in Bukhari and it is possible to find sounder narration than one cited in Bukhari." " If you are Quran-only, you don't know how much time you must pray or what are the words for the chahada and many other things." I'm not Shia or Qur'an only. The prophet said we shouldn't divide. I am a Muslim. Maybe broaden your approach to study or polemics or whatever agenda you're running with. David Wood , Sam shamoun,(?) please, don't make me laugh.; ) May Allah SWT guide us all.

NM : Ok, so your argument is based on what said a "noted historian" Mohammed bin Jareer Tabari. Everyone can say everything about the first age of islam because there's only a few archeological evidence. We aren't even sure if Mohammed ever existed. But you find one so-called historian and start to reason as if he was more truthful than Bukhari or Muslim. But he is no more valuable than the Qur'an or the Sunna in a sunni point of view. This argument has no value, because the sunni muslims must refer to the Quran first then to Bukhari and Muslim, then to the 4 other great compilations of hadiths, and to the Sira, and to the tafsir of Ibn Kathir and al tabari and only after a long list they can refer to the historian Mohammed bin Jareer Tabari, but only if he doesn't contradict the Qur'an or Bukhari. So he comes long after. If the Quran or the Sahih Bukhari say one thing several times, it's considered as the truth in sunnism, even if what is said is the justification of paedophilia by the Qur'an and by the model of the prophet Mohammed in the hadith. The multiple hadiths in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari that says that Mohammed married Aicha when she was 6 and raped her (this is a child, so this is rape) when she was 9 are stronger than your complex mathematics based on a date in another very dubious historic book by Hafiz Ibn-e-Hajar, "Takhreeb-ut-Tahzeeb". 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. https://www.sunnah.com/muslim/16/83 And the Qur'an justifies child marriage and copulation with children in Sura 65, verse 4.

And this interpretation is given by Ibn Kathir and Al Jalalayn in their comment of this verse. There's the same in Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 63 https://muflihun.com/bukhari/62/63

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